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This tree shows a new branch called I-A21934, both known members have Greek paternal ancestry, but they are not closely related, and they are not close STR marker matches. I-A21934 is part of I-Z17855, in general I-Z17855 prevails in Greece and Bulgaria but it is also found in other places.
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Dear Mr Cullen, would you be so kind to comment on the following:
ReplyDeleteThe results at FTDNA I2a project show that the subclade Y4460 is (much) less often found in the Balkans than in some northern or eastern Slavic countries.
The oldest, primary branches of this subclade exist in Greece, Bulgaria, Montenegro.
The same lineages are also present in Ukraine, Belarus, Poland.
- However, the younger branches of Y4460 (e.g. Y3118, Y5598...), which are frequent in Ukraine, Belarus..., do not exist in the Balkans.
In your opinion, Which of the following scenarios is more probable:
a) 2300 years ago, the I-Y4460 clan developed in the southeastern Balkans. One day (+2000 years ago), a greater number of the clan members decided to go north, over the Carpathian mountains. They crossed the mountains and settled in what is today Ukraine. This part of the clan, unlike those who remained in the Balkans, prospered and "mutated", but none of their descendants ever came back to the original homeland. (With or without the Slavs, in the 6th, 7th, or any other century.)
b) +2000 years ago, a few carriers of Y4460 left Ukraine, crossed the Carpathian mountains and settled in the south-eastern Balkan...
Or something else?
I don't know the history of this area very well, and it wouldn't be appropriate for me to make comments. But I agree, you can see some very interesting patterns of geographic distribution in the different branches of I-CTS10228, and some periods of very rapid population expansion.
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DeleteOk. Thank you again - even though it has very little to do with history. One more thing, and I'll leave you alone: What are the chances that those two Greeks (Kolovos and Xenos, row numbers 514, 515) from the I2a Project chart are also negative for A2512?
DeleteThey already have S17250- Y4460- Z17855- results and I really expect them both to be A2512+. They are surely CTS10228+, and I believe there are only two known CTS10228+ men who are S17250- Y4460- Z17855- A2512- (one of these men is YP196/S20602+ and one is YP196/S20602-, neither man has Greek origin)
ReplyDeleteI suppose you do not know about a man from Serbia with the surname Dramićanin - "Srpski DNK projekat" (http://dnk.poreklo.rs/naslovna/)
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CTS10228>YP196* род Општи (тестираних: 1)
1 Драмићанин Стевањдан Вучак/Ивањица/СРБ I2 DN I2-CTS10228 YP196* 13 24 15 11 14 15 12 13 11 32 17 15 20 10 15 19 21 10
I don't know about this result. What do you find interesting about this result?
ReplyDeleteThere is a world outside FTDNA I2a Project. Do not play dumb.
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