We also show the many Dinaric-North branches, the Disles branches, and two small clusters within Dinaic-North: a Jewish cluster, and a Mediterranean cluster. All of these clusters can be easily identified by STR marker values.
This colorized tree is not attempting to show a geographic or ethnic/historical origin for every branch. We are only showing STR clusters. For example, there are no known STR marker values specific to the I-Y4460 branch, therefore I-Y4460 is shown as part of the bigger Dinaric-North STR cluster.
UPDATE 29 August 2016--You will notice that the tree shows that the Dinaric-South group belongs to the I-PH908 branch. PH908 is a SNP that was first reported in the Pille Hallast survey in 2014. This SNP is not covered by the Big Y test and most those who have Big Y test result have no call status for PH908. Some have one or two positive or negative reads. Two persons from DinS cluster (I-S17250* and I-Z16983 haplogroups) have positive T+ results in their YFull reports. Three persons who have S17250+ and BY128+ results have negative C- results. Two persons from I-Y4460 and I-Z17855 haplogroups also have negative results. The position of this SNP relative to Y4882 is to be investigated. PH908 could be a characteristic SNP for the Dinaric South cluster. The PH908 test is available at YSeq.net and we recommend it for all Dinaric-South men. Two Din-S men have already reported PH908+ results from YSeq. https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=32650
Below is a thumbnail of the draft tree but you will need to click at the link at the top of the post to see or download a high resolution tree.
Great :)
ReplyDeleteThank you for all your collective work in such a great colored representation. I realize notes which u mentioned in post, but still, such visualization really helps me for better understanding clusters and cross/neighbor-clusters relations/positions.
Top question for me so far - when FTDNA will have ability to test one of these: A6105, A6106, Y16810, one of which I may be positive, because rest of parallel branches I am already negative.
btw, since previous version, on this we also still have note "and two more novel variants" near by mentioned by me above. I realize it might be not ready to show all info, but what else info is out there?
ReplyDeleteIs this about YF04010UKR [UA-05] and YF02238LVA [LV-RIX] from yfull?
Zdenko and I don't know very much about FTDNA's plans about new SNPs. In general the newest SNPs are not available as individual tests at FTDNA, only as part of the I2-P37 SNP pack. A6106 is included in the FTDNA SNP pack and A6105 and A6106 can also be ordered as an individual SNPs from YSeq.net
ReplyDeleteI expect that eventually FTDNA will update the SNPs in the I2-P37 SNP pack or create another SNP pack specific to I-L621 for example.
There are "two more novel variants" equivalent to A6105, A6106, Y16810:
13682157 G to A
22669350 C to T
Probably the reason Zdenko didn't list these on the tree is a lack of space. But these SNPs are not listed at the YFull tree, so maybe there is some additional reason.
Yes, the I-A6105 on Zdenko's draft tree is the same as the I-Y16810 branch on the YFull tree. The YFull tree includes only people who have ordered the YFull.com service which costs an additional $49, and the YFull tree identifies samples only by a YF code, and also a country of origin like UA-05 and LV-RIX. Zdenko's trees identify samples by a FTDNA kit number, and usually Zdenko's trees include more samples and more branches because not everyone who has done a Big Y has sent their data to YFull.
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